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>> i didn't have the problems with george w. bush either. i believe this is war, not law enforcement. i'm not going to answer, but with reality. i said to you these domestic drone attacks or holding in guantanamo bay would prevent a family member in the future being killed, right on. we sit here unless it hits close to home. i in the world of terror think there new rules. i'm a liberal overall and in this instance i think quite the opposite. >> this is not what brought down the bush administration. he was reelected. i know friends in the voting booth holding their babies and going to vote against bush and didn't because he was so "strong on foreign policy." i also don't think -- >> i trusted gorge bush to make hard tough decisions they thought john kerry might waiver on. >> thank you. that's why i don't think obama will have a problem with this. he will look like he did a year ago when he killed bin laden, he alongs strong on foreign policy and this will not provide a weak spot. >> i agree with you there. i don't think there will be a politi
>> i didn't have the problems with george w. bush either. i believe this is war, not law enforcement. i'm not going to answer, but with reality. i said to you these domestic drone attacks or holding in guantanamo bay would prevent a family member in the future being killed, right on. we sit here unless it hits close to home. i in the world of terror think there new rules. i'm a liberal overall and in this instance i think quite the opposite. >> this is not what brought down the bush...
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bush was their guy. and to convince evangelicals that george w. bush was your guy. and convince the business wing of the party and say george w. bush is your guy. he sold them a bill of goods, and what they got back was medicare part d, a ballooning deficit, and a financial crisis that devastated the country, a failed war -- a war in iraq that was ill-advised to put it mildly, and now the cuckoo's nest who he cultivated as the ground troops, the shock troops to win elections in 2000 and 2004, they think they're in charge and they're not going to listen to him saying they're not. >> what was the big thing with karl rove? did he start a war to celebrate the tax cut or have a tax cut to celebrate the war. i mean, he put it all together. joy put it right. i forgot to mention the prescription drug thing thrown in without financing it. >> right, right, right. and, you know, he did do a great job in the ots mobilizing and energizing the right wing base to get behind george w. bush, and then he and others did a great job in the last few years under barack obama of energizin
bush was their guy. and to convince evangelicals that george w. bush was your guy. and convince the business wing of the party and say george w. bush is your guy. he sold them a bill of goods, and what they got back was medicare part d, a ballooning deficit, and a financial crisis that devastated the country, a failed war -- a war in iraq that was ill-advised to put it mildly, and now the cuckoo's nest who he cultivated as the ground troops, the shock troops to win elections in 2000 and 2004,...
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, george w. bush is your guy. this guy passed off neo conservatism as conservatism, passed off the idea of endless war and nation building to conservatives. he sold them a bill of goods and what they got back is medicare part d, ballooning deficit and crisis that devastated the country. a failed war in iraq that it was ill-advised to put it mildly and now, the coocoo's nest as he cullty mated to in -- cultivated to win elections in 2000 and 2004 think they're in charge and not going to listen to him saying they're not. >> what was the big thing with karl rove? did he start a war to celebrate the tax cut or have a tax cut to celebrate the war? he put it all together, joy put it right. i forget to mention the prescription drug thing thrown in without financing it. >> right. he did do a great job you know, mobilizing and energizing the right wing base to get behind bush and he and the others did a great thing in the last few years under barack obama getting them together by demonizing barack obama a
, george w. bush is your guy. this guy passed off neo conservatism as conservatism, passed off the idea of endless war and nation building to conservatives. he sold them a bill of goods and what they got back is medicare part d, ballooning deficit and crisis that devastated the country. a failed war in iraq that it was ill-advised to put it mildly and now, the coocoo's nest as he cullty mated to in -- cultivated to win elections in 2000 and 2004 think they're in charge and not going to listen...
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bush was really their guy and convinced evangelicals that george w. bush is your guy and convinced the right wing. he passed off neoconservatism as conservatism. he passed off the idea of endless war and nation building. he sold them a bill of goods, and what they got back was medicare part d, a ballooning deficit, and a financial crisis that devastated the country, a failed war -- a war in iraq that was ill-advised to put it mildly, and now the cuckoo's nest who he cultivated as the ground troops, they think they're in charge and they're not going to listen to him saying they're not. >> what was the big thing with karl rove? did he start a war to celebrate the tax cut or have a tax cut to celebrate the war. i mean, he put it all together. i forgot to mention the prescription drug thing thrown in without financing it. >> right, right, right. and, you know, he did do a great job, you know, mobilizing and energizing the right wing base to get behind george w. bush, and then he and others did a great job in the last few years under barack obama of energi
bush was really their guy and convinced evangelicals that george w. bush is your guy and convinced the right wing. he passed off neoconservatism as conservatism. he passed off the idea of endless war and nation building. he sold them a bill of goods, and what they got back was medicare part d, a ballooning deficit, and a financial crisis that devastated the country, a failed war -- a war in iraq that was ill-advised to put it mildly, and now the cuckoo's nest who he cultivated as the ground...
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it brought back, said the writer memos written by george w. bush to justify illegal wiretapping, kidnapping abuse and torture. now, the "new york times" is starting to compare the obama administration to george w. bush, this is significant shift. >> the other thing even the nation's gregg mitchell did not make the issue about the drones and the drone bases in saudi arabia as much of an issue which i thought he should have. particularly because 9/11 was supposedly, according to some of the terrorists, because we had bases in saudi arabia. that whole thing was totally looked over. >> cal put his finger on it. after the election. they weren't going mess up obama's bed before the election. now, that the partisan mission of getting him re-elected is completed they can go back to being liberals and worry about due process and where is the aclu. it has been a field day for left wing papers like mother jones and guardian has been on this. they had these reports years ago that the "new york times" and "washington post" weren't interested in. >> what th
it brought back, said the writer memos written by george w. bush to justify illegal wiretapping, kidnapping abuse and torture. now, the "new york times" is starting to compare the obama administration to george w. bush, this is significant shift. >> the other thing even the nation's gregg mitchell did not make the issue about the drones and the drone bases in saudi arabia as much of an issue which i thought he should have. particularly because 9/11 was supposedly, according to...
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w. bush argument the strength of it is the memory of nine eleven. and the enduring believe in the minds of many americans that nine eleven was an act of war in and of itself a modern day pearl harbor and therefore we're justified in pursuing that war until the enemy al qaeda is either dead or surrenders the first weakness of that argument however is that our constitution and the law that we've signed on to through numerous un and other treaties very clearly describes what a war is and what it isn't and how it's different from what you would call a crime pearl harbor had japan a country nine eleven had been ladan a criminal for a war we need a congressional declaration of war a nation declare that war against once that's happened there are very specific rules under which we conduct that war last time our nation had a congressional declaration of war legally invoking our constitutional war powers was in one hundred forty one and that war ended forty five which strengthens the argument the
w. bush argument the strength of it is the memory of nine eleven. and the enduring believe in the minds of many americans that nine eleven was an act of war in and of itself a modern day pearl harbor and therefore we're justified in pursuing that war until the enemy al qaeda is either dead or surrenders the first weakness of that argument however is that our constitution and the law that we've signed on to through numerous un and other treaties very clearly describes what a war is and what it...
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we have lower discretionary spending than we've had under george w. bush and what do we have now? the question what do they want? close military bases, right? gut medicare. something they talk about, but isn't actually popular when you, what, literally cut medicare. >> then when you end up cutting medicare. in terms of the sequester, if and when the president does address it tomorrow, is not supposed to focus on the defense piece, but on the nondefense piece. the programs that target, you know, young mothers, children. interesting the fact that he is not going to sort of the middle on this one, which is to say to talk at length about the defense cuts, but really the harm to low income families is definitely a choice. >> defense cuts, there's a lot that can be cut without weakening our country. there really is. that is an enormous, enormous, you know, chunk of revenue, as everybody knows. this is -- it would all be easier if we had more growth. that's the overwhelming story here. it's like if you have more growth, everything is better. you know, everything is lighter. it's sunnier.
we have lower discretionary spending than we've had under george w. bush and what do we have now? the question what do they want? close military bases, right? gut medicare. something they talk about, but isn't actually popular when you, what, literally cut medicare. >> then when you end up cutting medicare. in terms of the sequester, if and when the president does address it tomorrow, is not supposed to focus on the defense piece, but on the nondefense piece. the programs that target, you...
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bush, when they sort of corralled in the far right wing, convincing them that george w. bush was a true conservative which, of course, he turned out in their minds not to be. he turned out to be a big spender. he turned out to do medicare part d. he did all of these things. they were able to get the far right to go with them. now, since 2010, they've been allowed to govern. they've actually had real power. they're not going back into that mode. >> but, chris -- >> i don't think they like fighting aides in africa too much. >> but, chris, i also think the other thing that you said is very, very important, which is, in the old days, in the ronald reagan days, the enemy was over there. it was communism. it was the reds. and the binding principle of ronald reagan's conservativism was anti-communism, which had more to do with the world as a whole than the very power structure of your own political party. what's happened with the tea party is that they're constantly running against their own people, not only in washington, not only the government, but their own republican -- >>
bush, when they sort of corralled in the far right wing, convincing them that george w. bush was a true conservative which, of course, he turned out in their minds not to be. he turned out to be a big spender. he turned out to do medicare part d. he did all of these things. they were able to get the far right to go with them. now, since 2010, they've been allowed to govern. they've actually had real power. they're not going back into that mode. >> but, chris -- >> i don't think they...
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when george w. bush and big cheney were doing it, there was a lot of liberal criticism, and that has increased dramatically under president obama, and with rare exceptions, the liberals and the civil libertarians have been muted. >> after, obama has been much more aggressive about it. >> diane feinstein, following up on your point, says, look, we have such a process. i don't think you can calculate the hostility and the enmity that is generated by civilian deaths. >> drones _ the tragic nature of being a superpower. people are going to get drone s and come back at us. but it is still necessary that we do these things because what else are we going to do? >> we have a secret army and the cia is going off on its own. you wrote a book about this -- >> it makes me extremely anxious because the history of a covert action is that it often backfires. i hate to be fruity about this, but if you are a superpower and try to keep peace and the world, you are going to be reprehensible things and it is almost gua
when george w. bush and big cheney were doing it, there was a lot of liberal criticism, and that has increased dramatically under president obama, and with rare exceptions, the liberals and the civil libertarians have been muted. >> after, obama has been much more aggressive about it. >> diane feinstein, following up on your point, says, look, we have such a process. i don't think you can calculate the hostility and the enmity that is generated by civilian deaths. >> drones _...
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that gives me, george w. bush, the power to pretty much do whatever i want. so if i'm going to detain people in guantanamo bay without charging them, i can do that. if i want to declare an american an enemy combat tant and suspend their civil liberties, i can do that. >> now with an expanded drone campaign that ta targeted an american for assassination, it's the obama administration advancing novel legal theories. >> we have have as a basis for action a congressional statute that allows us to to operate and balking at congressional oversite. >> i have nothing on alleged memos regarding potentially classified memphis. >> this president when he was a senator excoriated the bush administration for its presumption of an imperial presidency and presidential powers. now that he's the president, he's lucky he doesn't have a senator obama who is chas chastg him from the floor of the united states senate. >> reporter: some of the obama supporters dabbing at the sand man in their eyes appear to have awakend to the double standard. >> i have to say i was definitely on t
that gives me, george w. bush, the power to pretty much do whatever i want. so if i'm going to detain people in guantanamo bay without charging them, i can do that. if i want to declare an american an enemy combat tant and suspend their civil liberties, i can do that. >> now with an expanded drone campaign that ta targeted an american for assassination, it's the obama administration advancing novel legal theories. >> we have have as a basis for action a congressional statute that...
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during the bad old torturing prisoners days of the george w. bush administration. so you're going to have a brand-new president who bans torture, but then you're going to put a guy who was there for the whole torture regime in charge of the cia? yeah, there was an effort made to make the case that john brennan had been opposed to the torture methods while he had been at the cia, but nothing in his known professional tenure backed that up. at least not enough to save his nomination. and john brennan withdrew his name from consideration that year and he did not run the cia during barack obama's first term. instead, he got the world's greatest consolation prize. he became a very close white house adviser to the president, his white house counterterrorism adviser, and he was there at a time when the cia and the united states generally were not known for torturing people. we are not known for torturing people anymore. what we are known for in the obama era is not torturing people, but rather killing them. on the same day that president obama signed that executive order
during the bad old torturing prisoners days of the george w. bush administration. so you're going to have a brand-new president who bans torture, but then you're going to put a guy who was there for the whole torture regime in charge of the cia? yeah, there was an effort made to make the case that john brennan had been opposed to the torture methods while he had been at the cia, but nothing in his known professional tenure backed that up. at least not enough to save his nomination. and john...
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when george w. bush was doing it, there was a lot of criticism, and it has increased dramatically under president obama, and with exceptions, the liberals and civil libertarians have been muted in criticism. >> affleck, obama has been much more aggressive about it -- actually, obama has been much more aggressive. . >> dianne feinstein, chairman of the intelligence committee, says that we have a process for wiretaps. i don't think that you can calculate the hostility and the enmity that is generated by civilian deaths and drones. >> drones underscore the tragic nature of being a superpower. they are absolutely essential and they are sure to end badly. there is sure to be a bad ending to the store, but is still necessary to do these things because what else are we going to do? >> we have a sort of secret army, and the cia is going off on its own bid you wrote a book about this -- >> it makes me extremely anxious, because the history of covert action is that it often backfires. it is just an existentia
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you served the president, george w. bush. >> that's right. when dealing with an attack, when american lives are in harm's way, we know that becomes quicklily a high priority for the president. if we know -- we know there's an attack going under way. >> what should he have done? >> i really think you have to step aside from being so focused on the election at that moment in time and make this one of your top priorities. >> should he have been back in the oval office behind the desk? >> absolutely. that's what you see with any major attack. september 11 was a massive attack, but when we're looking as an american embassador to died and nothing was done, there was no military that was brought in at the time, absolutely. that's a moment when you have to put aside the politics and be presidential and get your secretary of defense in your office. >> chris, is it fair to say nothing was done? what would you like to have seen. >> it's not fair to say nothing was done. the president does not sit there next to the phone. he's got incredibly well qualifi
you served the president, george w. bush. >> that's right. when dealing with an attack, when american lives are in harm's way, we know that becomes quicklily a high priority for the president. if we know -- we know there's an attack going under way. >> what should he have done? >> i really think you have to step aside from being so focused on the election at that moment in time and make this one of your top priorities. >> should he have been back in the oval office...
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these kind of practices put in place by george w. bush. that is going to be -- we're going to close that chapter in american history. what this reveals is that that chapter is far from being closed. it's still being written. >> we are still arguing based on the movie "zero dark thirty" whether or not enhanced interrogation, torture, helped us get osama bin laden, and you hear conflicting reports about whether or not that was true. if you ask the average person, does interrogation enhance interrogation, does torture work? you'll get ten different anz. we are as a country very much grappling with these questions and trying to sort of move our way through the maze, and i think at the end of the day the chief executive determines that is he going to err on the side of the safety of the american people. if there is a judgment call to be made, he is going to say i will do what i need to do to protect this country, and i think george bush would have said that, and it's pretty clear that barack obama is saying that. >> franklin, i'm curious to kno
these kind of practices put in place by george w. bush. that is going to be -- we're going to close that chapter in american history. what this reveals is that that chapter is far from being closed. it's still being written. >> we are still arguing based on the movie "zero dark thirty" whether or not enhanced interrogation, torture, helped us get osama bin laden, and you hear conflicting reports about whether or not that was true. if you ask the average person, does...
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he was a deputy executive director of the cia during the george w. bush years. and the day before we got the rendition report on monday, nbc news michael isikoff broke the story of the justice department white paper, addressing the legal implications of the u.s. government in some way targeting u.s. citizens with drones. and now tonight the new breaking news that this classified memo justifying the legality of those strikes, this memo that the administration would not even cop to the existence of before tonight, tonight the breaking news that the president himself has ordered that justice department memo disclosed to the intelligence committees in congress. every day this week so far we have seen just an outpouring of new information that we didn't have before. about the most controversial, most secret actions and secret legal reasonings of this administration all leading up to john brennan's confirmation hearing here. it's almost like with john brennan set to testify before the intelligence committee, tomorrow might be the only chance we get to see somebody fro
he was a deputy executive director of the cia during the george w. bush years. and the day before we got the rendition report on monday, nbc news michael isikoff broke the story of the justice department white paper, addressing the legal implications of the u.s. government in some way targeting u.s. citizens with drones. and now tonight the new breaking news that this classified memo justifying the legality of those strikes, this memo that the administration would not even cop to the existence...
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they went after george w. bush, and they're going after barack obama, probably with a little bit less intensity in the case of president obama, but at least they put out a statement decrying this policy where the others are silent or rallying to the defense of the administration. >> shannon: yeah. i wanted to ask you about that because i don't imagine it's often that you and the aclu were hanging out together. they do call this, what they know of the policy so far, chilling. >> i want to be clear. i'm not with them on the side of believing this is a wrong policy. i want to give the president the benefit of the doubt. i do believe the president has to have tools like this to deal with people like this u.s. citizen who was part of the al-qaeda leadership in yemen. he was a prime mover. he appeared in videos. we had solid evidence he was an activist in the leadership of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, and he was a threat to the united states. god bless president obama for having the courage to take him out, bu
they went after george w. bush, and they're going after barack obama, probably with a little bit less intensity in the case of president obama, but at least they put out a statement decrying this policy where the others are silent or rallying to the defense of the administration. >> shannon: yeah. i wanted to ask you about that because i don't imagine it's often that you and the aclu were hanging out together. they do call this, what they know of the policy so far, chilling. >> i...
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i remember a dinner during the george w. bush administration in southern california. it was norman lear and his wife, larry david, bob scheer. they were sitting around w eeping in their expensive soup about the fact that we were living in hell. rupert murdoch on the media. george bush was president. norman lear had his pulse on american culture for 30 years. why cannot figure out how to deal -- deliver a message that is important and happening? >> that is important. we can find messages that speak to people where they are. they can also have some satire like stewart or colbert. there is the idea of exposing with satire. it opens people's eyes to the hypocrisy and corruption of our politics. the problem is you want the captivating stories and images and vocabulary, but a lot of the colbert-stewart stuff is so absurd and over the top that people do not want to get engaged. >> that is where a large number of people get their news. >> i think the obama campaign was a pivotal point, bringing people in. now they leave. there is the possibility that people will come back in.
i remember a dinner during the george w. bush administration in southern california. it was norman lear and his wife, larry david, bob scheer. they were sitting around w eeping in their expensive soup about the fact that we were living in hell. rupert murdoch on the media. george bush was president. norman lear had his pulse on american culture for 30 years. why cannot figure out how to deal -- deliver a message that is important and happening? >> that is important. we can find messages...
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bush and ronald reagan. he preserved less land for public use than george w. bush. of course, obama likes to break bush's record and go further right, and he did in this case as well and opened up a tremendous amount of land to drill on. i want to bring in a couple of experts, michael shure our political correspondent, and then mark flogl with greenpeace research unit. thank you for joining us. i want to ask you about sally jewel's record. it seems to me that it's a mixed bag. she worked for an oil company and then worked as as a banker, which is a prerequisite if you work in the obama administration. she seems like a conservation conservationist. >> she worked for mobile 30 years ago. that was an entry level position. the people she'll deal with in her new position if she's confirmed is a much different kettle of fish. she'll come under pressure to open up public land for oil coal all the fossil fuel industries. >> cenk: do we have an indication of how she's going to react to that? are you in favor or oppose to her? >> well, rei has done coming interesting things o
bush and ronald reagan. he preserved less land for public use than george w. bush. of course, obama likes to break bush's record and go further right, and he did in this case as well and opened up a tremendous amount of land to drill on. i want to bring in a couple of experts, michael shure our political correspondent, and then mark flogl with greenpeace research unit. thank you for joining us. i want to ask you about sally jewel's record. it seems to me that it's a mixed bag. she worked for an...
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w. bush right when he's all for you know you guys have got to start admitting that all the things obama said he hated about bush he's doing all i am great to say i am not disagreeing with you my point is this is not our natalie that is battling it he's killing he's got his list he can kill americans overseas with no due process this is outrageous it really is outrageous and it needs to be stopped so why are the republicans in congress not speaking out why are the democrats in congress not speaking out well you know i think because they're wimps yes now you think the republicans did probably yeah ok. well i mean yes it is a bad precedent and it is wrong but let's the truth which is that. war military action always leads to bad games including the deaths of civilians children noncombat we have no declaration of war story no we don't we have this continuing war on on on terror the president very often is even stopped using that phrase that's good now it's time to get out of afghanistan and
w. bush right when he's all for you know you guys have got to start admitting that all the things obama said he hated about bush he's doing all i am great to say i am not disagreeing with you my point is this is not our natalie that is battling it he's killing he's got his list he can kill americans overseas with no due process this is outrageous it really is outrageous and it needs to be stopped so why are the republicans in congress not speaking out why are the democrats in congress not...
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what would george w. bush do? that's your standard? we had never allow a power to the presidency that we wouldn't feel comfortable giving to george w. bush? i think we can raise the bar a bit from that. let's keep in mind that the president does have the unilateral power to drop nuclear bombs and destroy the entire planet. do you feel the same about george w. bush having the nuclear codes as you do about president obama. call me a hypocrite, but i sure don't. all right. that does it for the cycle. martin bashir, it is all yours. >> thank you, krystal, and good afternoon. it's friday, february 8th. there's a blizzard slamming the northeast, a top spy getting hit hard, and karl rove singing for his supper. a busy friday indeed.
what would george w. bush do? that's your standard? we had never allow a power to the presidency that we wouldn't feel comfortable giving to george w. bush? i think we can raise the bar a bit from that. let's keep in mind that the president does have the unilateral power to drop nuclear bombs and destroy the entire planet. do you feel the same about george w. bush having the nuclear codes as you do about president obama. call me a hypocrite, but i sure don't. all right. that does it for the...